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TREVOR PAGLEN That's a very complex and interesting point that you're making and I totally agree with it. There's so many different ways to talk about that. I think over the years I've been criticized for, you know, people look at some of the work I do and say, you know, you're taking something that's bad and you're making it look good, or making it pretty, or making it look beautiful.